Crassus
9:14 Mon Dec 5
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Was and still would be the best RB at the club
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collyrob
9:09 Mon Dec 5
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Tomkins was certainly good enough to stay, was a better option than Collins, but the board knew they had to flog one of them and they would have got fuck all for ginge.
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Scraper
9:07 Mon Dec 5
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Ship out the childish Chelsea wannabe revolting players, keep the good apples, bish bosh
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13 Brentford Rd
8:45 Mon Dec 5
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The same logic that says Tomkins is not good enough to start every game should be applied to Noble
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kirok1
8:35 Mon Dec 5
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Why are we forgetting Reid and his sulking while trying to line up a lucrative mood? Or the number of times he's screwed up, same as any other defender? See Saturday's error.
Not saying he's awful, just that he's not blameless either.
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J.Riddle
1:20 Mon Dec 5
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Tomkins
Collins
Ogbonna
They have all made lots of mistakes over the last few seasons.
Reid is the only one who comes out with any credit.
Selling any of them is ok, as long as we replace them with better.
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Eric Hitchmoe
12:21 Mon Dec 5
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"Tomkins wanted out FACT"
Not a fact at all. Quite the opposite. Had to move to get game time but did it begrudgingly. Source? The man himself.
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Stranded
11:14 Sun Dec 4
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That was a reply to Crassus.
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Stranded
11:13 Sun Dec 4
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I think that’s probably about the size of it. And add to that, as manager, Slav’s job is to be the public face of all decisions. He can’t say “West Ham are proud to announce the signing of ****, I’ve got no use for him, but it was out of my hands..” It must be soul destroying after a while.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Slav’s blameless where our transfers are concerned. If Tore turned out to be the sole signing he’d had a hand in, that would still be a pretty damning indictment of his judgement.
But any manager that comes to us under this board has my sympathies. Even Allardyce, who I loathed from day one and thought should never have been allowed anywhere near WH, still had my sympathy in that regard. As it’s a thankless task. If anything goes wrong in public, their first instinct is to throw the manager under the bus, the second something goes right they’re elbowing him out of the way to take the credit.
It’s the same instinct that sees them use Brady as a human shield, and Sullivan’s kids as a mouthpiece. I’ve lost track of the number people I’ve heard/seen saying variations on ‘Don’t they understand what SHE’s doing to the club?” Of course they understand you daft cunts! Who do you think she works for?! Her job description includes taking the flak for their dirty work, same as Slav’s includes taking the flak for their penny pinching and idiocy. But I do find their using Sulli's kids as a mouthpiece especially distasteful.
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dealcanvey
11:13 Sun Dec 4
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Tomkins wanted out FACT
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ChesterRd
11:11 Sun Dec 4
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Selling Tomkins in order to play the Italian defensive equivalent of Titi Camara. What a poor decision that has been. Reid plays far better not having the clown alongside him as well.
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Crassus
10:27 Sun Dec 4
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My supposition being that Slav had been telling them all taht vaious top players were on the agenda who did not arrive
We then tipped up at the running track and that went wonky
And then the manager had the job of explaining itall, would not, could not and lost the will to live beyond payoff
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Stranded
10:24 Sun Dec 4
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Crassus. I do remember it. I think the transfer window was where Slav ran face-first into the difference between what our board promise and what our board are willing or capable of delivering.
They are the poison at the heart of this club.
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Crassus
10:09 Sun Dec 4
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Stranded
Mate, do you remember that conference where utterly unprovoked and entirely out of context to the immediate subject matter, Slav launched into the ways that a second tier club could buy marquee players?
Effectively hard and fast, pay the club what they want, dont dither then hit the player with terms to snare him - fanny about and the big clubs join the party and it's game over.
By implication it said it all, and of course, it was around the time of Sully giving it needlessly large about Tevez
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Stranded
9:54 Sun Dec 4
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Thought letting him go was a bad mistake at the time and have said so several times on here. As much as anything else because he was one of the few proper West Ham boys around the place, and you need those more than ever when you up sticks and move to a new stadium, to carry the club’s character and traditions over into the new place. Also to make sure transient players show due respect while they’re here.
I was especially disappointed as I’d hoped we’d continue building a solidly British core to the team.
Re whatever happened happening during the off season, totally agree. I remember watching one of those live press conferences during the transfer window and being stunned at the change in him, he looked someone had died. All the energy, smiles and enthusiasm totally gone, and the Slav we’ve seen ever since in their place.
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Crassus
9:22 Sun Dec 4
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Oh and whilst upon the subject of Tomkins, his sacrifice was spun around the need to give the youngsters a game, he fucked off and Burke went out on loan, Oxford has not kicked a ball - yeah, that worked out well too
Utter lieing cunts
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Crassus
9:20 Sun Dec 4
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Well I was bang against Tomkins leaving and had a right old hissy fit about it too
His visage when unveiled at Palace told you everything that you need know about what he thought of signing for those cunts
Playing Antonio at RB, insisting that it would work even when it was patently obvious it would not, even to the club's sponsor's website, would not have helped. - it certainly fucked up the window with an over attention upon fucking wingers, shit ones to boot.
Also, a few of us discussed Slaven's disposition at the start of the friendlies vis a vee the end of last and his punditry face at the Euros.
Something very definitely happened to prick his baloon and he has not recovered and doubtless never will here.
It's all a clusterfuck, a predictable clusterfuck and one of which has Tomkins at the centre.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
9:11 Sun Dec 4
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If Pardew guaranteed Tomkins a starting place in his preferred position he lied, didn't he?
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taffy apple
9:09 Sun Dec 4
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Tomkins wasn't assured of being first choice ahead of Reid and Ogbonna. He felt that, at his age, he needed regular first team football. Bilic couldn't promise that, Pardew could.
Tomkins didn't want to leave but felt he had to in order to play regularly. End of.
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Full Claret Jacket
9:04 Sun Dec 4
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I've no problem with Tomkins leaving. He wasn't improving, wasn't good enough to start and on a lot of money.
I'm more concerned we didn't use Burke and Oxford more (when he was fit.) .
These two are more than good enough to cover the departing Tomkins but didn't get a look in.
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geoffpikey
9:01 Sun Dec 4
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REALGSA 8:30 Sun Dec 4
"Sullivan's sons said that there is a revolt inside against Bilic since this season. Heard in person not on twitter..."
By whom? Said by whom? How did you hear? etc etc etc
Anyone can splatter supposed ITK info around. No-one backs it up. Not even with a hint of sauce.
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